Durand and Wallace drew the map of modern Asia. They know the place. And Gibson is, in her own words, “a liberally-educated, middle-aged frog, climbing out of her tropical well.”

Anti-immigrant sentiment is nothing new in Southeast Asia–the Chinese have long faced the brunt of it. Wallace, Durand and Gibson discuss the history of Chinese immigration in Southeast Asia and what’s different about the current wave. There are lessons here for everyone, whether you’re Chinese or not.